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		<title>Comment on The Value of Government by Hekate</title>
		<link>http://www.nurturingenvironments.org/2010/04/27/the-value-of-government/comment-page-1/#comment-2162</link>
		<dc:creator>Hekate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this analysis of the value of government. While you provided many particulars about outcomes and programs I found the following sentence provided me with the best paradigm shift I have experienced in many years.

&quot;The implicit assumption in discussions of these issues is that a given economic and political system should be preferred because it improves human wellbeing. &quot;

The improvement of human wellbeing is rarely mentioned in the diatribes against (or for that matter in favor of) government.  The inclusion of this concept in all discussions of how the world ought to be run could focus the mind almost as well as imminent hanging--but w/o the heart-pounding terror.  And besides, it would give us a scale on which to determine the success of our efforts in the here and now.  (I think it&#039;s reasonable to leave the effect of public policies on access to a given afterlife to individual preferences and beliefs.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this analysis of the value of government. While you provided many particulars about outcomes and programs I found the following sentence provided me with the best paradigm shift I have experienced in many years.</p>
<p>&#8220;The implicit assumption in discussions of these issues is that a given economic and political system should be preferred because it improves human wellbeing. &#8221;</p>
<p>The improvement of human wellbeing is rarely mentioned in the diatribes against (or for that matter in favor of) government.  The inclusion of this concept in all discussions of how the world ought to be run could focus the mind almost as well as imminent hanging&#8211;but w/o the heart-pounding terror.  And besides, it would give us a scale on which to determine the success of our efforts in the here and now.  (I think it&#8217;s reasonable to leave the effect of public policies on access to a given afterlife to individual preferences and beliefs.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Love Letter to the Citizens of Lane County by Hekate</title>
		<link>http://www.nurturingenvironments.org/2010/05/02/a-love-letter-to-the-citizens-of-lane-county/comment-page-1/#comment-2161</link>
		<dc:creator>Hekate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As  I read this post, I was accompanied by two internal commentators--one saying, &quot;excellent, excellent&quot; and the other saying: &quot;yes, but.....&quot;.  (It&#039;s always noisy here in my head and we rarely all agree.)  Further consideration provided this analysis:  

I want to be part of that most fertile of experiences, the group that lays down its slogans and gets to work fixing problems.  I have experienced it and it approaches having children for its ecstasy and its agony.  Perhaps what is needed is a designated midwife--someone who recognizes the pain of the process, supports the labor, suggests strategies to mitigate the difficulty and helps the group stay focused on what we are bringing to birth.  Such a midwife would be there to assist the process.  The midwife would not create the outcome any more than a traditional midwife would raise the baby.

I&#039;ve often found myself so caught up in making a point or in the beauty of my own speech that I was oblivious to the way I was effecting others.  A sensitive midwife to refocus me/us on what we are here for would have saved me hours of post-meeting remorse AND we would have gotten a LOT MORE accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As  I read this post, I was accompanied by two internal commentators&#8211;one saying, &#8220;excellent, excellent&#8221; and the other saying: &#8220;yes, but&#8230;..&#8221;.  (It&#8217;s always noisy here in my head and we rarely all agree.)  Further consideration provided this analysis:  </p>
<p>I want to be part of that most fertile of experiences, the group that lays down its slogans and gets to work fixing problems.  I have experienced it and it approaches having children for its ecstasy and its agony.  Perhaps what is needed is a designated midwife&#8211;someone who recognizes the pain of the process, supports the labor, suggests strategies to mitigate the difficulty and helps the group stay focused on what we are bringing to birth.  Such a midwife would be there to assist the process.  The midwife would not create the outcome any more than a traditional midwife would raise the baby.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often found myself so caught up in making a point or in the beauty of my own speech that I was oblivious to the way I was effecting others.  A sensitive midwife to refocus me/us on what we are here for would have saved me hours of post-meeting remorse AND we would have gotten a LOT MORE accomplished.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taxes, Yes! by Coleen O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://www.nurturingenvironments.org/2010/04/16/taxes-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-2149</link>
		<dc:creator>Coleen O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing this.  My thoughts exactly and I am tired of these folks that think we can run a great country, give our children a future, and survive well without taxes.  I personally don&#039;t mind paying them and we need to change the tide in the attitude toward them.  

As to the voluntary tax idea - the invitation that we can all make voluntary taxes if we want.  Well in trying it out with industry it doesn&#039;t work.  When the bottom line is how much profit you can make, there is no volunteering.  It is clear that we have a profit loving populace and so I say we need to legislate some ethical morality.  Too bad that we can&#039;t grow up.  Volunteerism doesn&#039;t work - so we need to ask people to commit to their country and step up to the plate.  Wasteful is a matter of opinion of course - and there isn&#039;t any such thing as waste.  Waste is just something else&#039;s food.   The question isn&#039;t big government - it is efficient government... let&#039;s focus on that instead of the band standing and greed feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing this.  My thoughts exactly and I am tired of these folks that think we can run a great country, give our children a future, and survive well without taxes.  I personally don&#8217;t mind paying them and we need to change the tide in the attitude toward them.  </p>
<p>As to the voluntary tax idea &#8211; the invitation that we can all make voluntary taxes if we want.  Well in trying it out with industry it doesn&#8217;t work.  When the bottom line is how much profit you can make, there is no volunteering.  It is clear that we have a profit loving populace and so I say we need to legislate some ethical morality.  Too bad that we can&#8217;t grow up.  Volunteerism doesn&#8217;t work &#8211; so we need to ask people to commit to their country and step up to the plate.  Wasteful is a matter of opinion of course &#8211; and there isn&#8217;t any such thing as waste.  Waste is just something else&#8217;s food.   The question isn&#8217;t big government &#8211; it is efficient government&#8230; let&#8217;s focus on that instead of the band standing and greed feelings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taxes, Yes! by Ed W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really major difference is that with government you have no choice.  If you don&#039;t like the program, too bad.  These things have the force of law and they can put you in jail if you don&#039;t comply.  Alternatively, if the service in question is offered in the free market you can chose to use it or not.  If you don&#039;t like supplier A, you can switch to another.  This gives you freedom of choice and drives innovation and efficiency.  Look at computers, then look at the post office.  Can you imagine if the govenment had decided in 1950 that Univac should be nationalized and have exclusive rights to develop and sell computers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really major difference is that with government you have no choice.  If you don&#8217;t like the program, too bad.  These things have the force of law and they can put you in jail if you don&#8217;t comply.  Alternatively, if the service in question is offered in the free market you can chose to use it or not.  If you don&#8217;t like supplier A, you can switch to another.  This gives you freedom of choice and drives innovation and efficiency.  Look at computers, then look at the post office.  Can you imagine if the govenment had decided in 1950 that Univac should be nationalized and have exclusive rights to develop and sell computers?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taxes, Yes! by Hekate</title>
		<link>http://www.nurturingenvironments.org/2010/04/16/taxes-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-2147</link>
		<dc:creator>Hekate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Ed, government is often incredibly wasteful and even stifles creativity and initiative.  So, of course, do corporations, churches, families and clubs.  For every government horror story you can tell, I can match you with one from any of those other entities.  When the cream rises to the top, in an organization or a bowl, it often curdles and gums up the works.  The problem we confront is how to clean up the mess and get things working properly again.  I tend to prefer government, imperfect though is be, to the uncontrolled rapacity of the most powerful 1% of the population.  

BTW, I wonder if I could get a tank of gasoline with a voluntary contribution of my own choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Ed, government is often incredibly wasteful and even stifles creativity and initiative.  So, of course, do corporations, churches, families and clubs.  For every government horror story you can tell, I can match you with one from any of those other entities.  When the cream rises to the top, in an organization or a bowl, it often curdles and gums up the works.  The problem we confront is how to clean up the mess and get things working properly again.  I tend to prefer government, imperfect though is be, to the uncontrolled rapacity of the most powerful 1% of the population.  </p>
<p>BTW, I wonder if I could get a tank of gasoline with a voluntary contribution of my own choice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taxes, Yes! by Ed W</title>
		<link>http://www.nurturingenvironments.org/2010/04/16/taxes-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-2146</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, but do not agree.  Government is incredibly wasteful and its growth stifles creativity and initiative.  Anyone (including you my beloved brother- and sister-in-law) can make voluntary contributions to the IRS (or state or local govt) if you are so inclined.  

BTW, one tax I would be in favor of increasing is the estate tax.  I see no reason why the children of great wealth should be entitled to a life of ease and leisure.  A reasonable exemption and heavy taxation above that amount along with the closing of loopholes like generation-skipping trusts would be fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, but do not agree.  Government is incredibly wasteful and its growth stifles creativity and initiative.  Anyone (including you my beloved brother- and sister-in-law) can make voluntary contributions to the IRS (or state or local govt) if you are so inclined.  </p>
<p>BTW, one tax I would be in favor of increasing is the estate tax.  I see no reason why the children of great wealth should be entitled to a life of ease and leisure.  A reasonable exemption and heavy taxation above that amount along with the closing of loopholes like generation-skipping trusts would be fair.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taxes, Yes! by Sharri</title>
		<link>http://www.nurturingenvironments.org/2010/04/16/taxes-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-2145</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and I agree one hundred and one percent.  Or more.  We have never objected to paying taxes and wonder why the big whine about taxes when we are the least taxed country in the Western world. I like my government to provide services and I don&#039;t believe that private industry will step in and do many of the things you mentioned out the goodness of their hearts.  There is a little of that, but not nearly enough and never will be because there is not enough money to be made in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and I agree one hundred and one percent.  Or more.  We have never objected to paying taxes and wonder why the big whine about taxes when we are the least taxed country in the Western world. I like my government to provide services and I don&#8217;t believe that private industry will step in and do many of the things you mentioned out the goodness of their hearts.  There is a little of that, but not nearly enough and never will be because there is not enough money to be made in it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taxes, Yes! by Hekate</title>
		<link>http://www.nurturingenvironments.org/2010/04/16/taxes-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-2144</link>
		<dc:creator>Hekate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderful piece!  I am outraged and saddened and frustrated every day when some of my former co-workers (I&#039;m retired) join forces with the elite to oppose taxes.  

I was a public transit bus driver for 16 years.  Public transit makes it possible for folks in low wage jobs to get to work, for school kids with 2 working parents to get to and from school and after school activities safely.  Public transit takes poor folks and old folks and people with disabilities to doctor&#039;s offices, hospitals, recreation and shopping.  It also provides good wages and benefits to its employees--at least when those employees are represented by a union.  

So poor folks and families with kids and old folks and people with disabilities and public transit employees--which is to say a sizable portion of our society--have a vested interest in maintaining the taxes that make good public transportation possible.  Yet too many of these folks have been conned into believing that taxes are some kind of plot against their prosperity.  

And people who use schools and health care and roadways and drinking water and electricity and air and almost any kind of food, et cetera--which is to say, all of us--have the same vested interest an appropriate, adequate and, above all, fair tax policy.  Yet all too many of us are falling for this old con job. (Rupert Murdoch, a man with only a few billion dollars between himself and poverty, must be so proud.) 

I say it&#039;s time for all of us to stop shooting ourselves in the foot and start shooting holes in ridiculous ideas.  Tax day is Independence Day to me.  The taxes I pay are my dues for living in a just society.  The taxes I pay are the privilege I have because I have access to enough money to owe them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful piece!  I am outraged and saddened and frustrated every day when some of my former co-workers (I&#8217;m retired) join forces with the elite to oppose taxes.  </p>
<p>I was a public transit bus driver for 16 years.  Public transit makes it possible for folks in low wage jobs to get to work, for school kids with 2 working parents to get to and from school and after school activities safely.  Public transit takes poor folks and old folks and people with disabilities to doctor&#8217;s offices, hospitals, recreation and shopping.  It also provides good wages and benefits to its employees&#8211;at least when those employees are represented by a union.  </p>
<p>So poor folks and families with kids and old folks and people with disabilities and public transit employees&#8211;which is to say a sizable portion of our society&#8211;have a vested interest in maintaining the taxes that make good public transportation possible.  Yet too many of these folks have been conned into believing that taxes are some kind of plot against their prosperity.  </p>
<p>And people who use schools and health care and roadways and drinking water and electricity and air and almost any kind of food, et cetera&#8211;which is to say, all of us&#8211;have the same vested interest an appropriate, adequate and, above all, fair tax policy.  Yet all too many of us are falling for this old con job. (Rupert Murdoch, a man with only a few billion dollars between himself and poverty, must be so proud.) </p>
<p>I say it&#8217;s time for all of us to stop shooting ourselves in the foot and start shooting holes in ridiculous ideas.  Tax day is Independence Day to me.  The taxes I pay are my dues for living in a just society.  The taxes I pay are the privilege I have because I have access to enough money to owe them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NO FAT CHICKS by Anthony Biglan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Biglan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many ways, the thing that motivates me in pursuing this issue is the tendency for people to view each other through their assumptions about the other person.  One of the ACT workshop activities is to have someone stand in front of the group and ask everyone to just notice the thoughts that they have about that person.  Then they ask the person to answer a series of questions, like, &quot;When is the last time  you cried?&quot; &quot;What is the thing that gave you the most joy in the last month?&quot; 

The point is to notice how much more complex and human a real person is than the initial thoughts we have about them.  This is one version of being in the moment--just noticing everything about a person without judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways, the thing that motivates me in pursuing this issue is the tendency for people to view each other through their assumptions about the other person.  One of the ACT workshop activities is to have someone stand in front of the group and ask everyone to just notice the thoughts that they have about that person.  Then they ask the person to answer a series of questions, like, &#8220;When is the last time  you cried?&#8221; &#8220;What is the thing that gave you the most joy in the last month?&#8221; </p>
<p>The point is to notice how much more complex and human a real person is than the initial thoughts we have about them.  This is one version of being in the moment&#8211;just noticing everything about a person without judgment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NO FAT CHICKS by Hekate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hekate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How interesting to have this discussion about &quot;holding thoughts/feelings/laws lightly.&quot;  It reminds me of the difficulties faced by a speaker who wants to be absolutely unequivocal--not so easy as you&#039;d think.  I have found it most useful to deal with my thoughts and feeling as if they were an odor that I&#039;d just noticed.  Let&#039;s say I come home to a find sweet smell  permeating my house.  If I take it seriously, I will investigate the possibilities.  It could be that someone has placed a bowl of hyacinths in the room  They are beautiful and I love the aroma, but if I&#039;m exposed too long, I get asthma.  What to do?  How about putting them outside where I can see them and catch a whiff when I pass by.  Or I could give them to a neighbor w/o allergies.  Or that smell could be the overripe oranges in the fruit bowl. Eek!  Fruit flies.  Better deal with that.  Or it could be that modest and pleasant aroma from the new furniture polish.  Enjoy, enjoy!

Perhaps the hyper-vigilance occasioned by PTSD propelled me to dealing with things this way.  And I can see, as this discussion continues, that what one person calls &quot;holding lightly&quot; may, strangely, resemble what another person calls &quot;taking seriously.&quot;  Vive la difference de la meme chose!&quot;

Hekate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How interesting to have this discussion about &#8220;holding thoughts/feelings/laws lightly.&#8221;  It reminds me of the difficulties faced by a speaker who wants to be absolutely unequivocal&#8211;not so easy as you&#8217;d think.  I have found it most useful to deal with my thoughts and feeling as if they were an odor that I&#8217;d just noticed.  Let&#8217;s say I come home to a find sweet smell  permeating my house.  If I take it seriously, I will investigate the possibilities.  It could be that someone has placed a bowl of hyacinths in the room  They are beautiful and I love the aroma, but if I&#8217;m exposed too long, I get asthma.  What to do?  How about putting them outside where I can see them and catch a whiff when I pass by.  Or I could give them to a neighbor w/o allergies.  Or that smell could be the overripe oranges in the fruit bowl. Eek!  Fruit flies.  Better deal with that.  Or it could be that modest and pleasant aroma from the new furniture polish.  Enjoy, enjoy!</p>
<p>Perhaps the hyper-vigilance occasioned by PTSD propelled me to dealing with things this way.  And I can see, as this discussion continues, that what one person calls &#8220;holding lightly&#8221; may, strangely, resemble what another person calls &#8220;taking seriously.&#8221;  Vive la difference de la meme chose!&#8221;</p>
<p>Hekate</p>
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